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Rogue/Barbarian
Super Melee Damage with 2-Hander and sneek attack. Light armor compliments both classes. Trapfinder and Scout. Probably Human (To make up for no fighter feats). Possible Multiclass into Assassin from rogue.
--Soo... What do you think? I'm curious to see other people's ideas on their own 4 (or 3) person group.
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So, without delay...
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Self-Healing Heavy-Armor Meat Shield, Preped with Divine Buffs. Probably Dwarven. Stats: CON, WIS. Possible (unlikely) levels in Dwarven Defender, if PHB2 feats don't warent high levels of fighter.
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Super Arcane Blasting / Divine Anything, Unarmored. Gets tons of use from Metamagic Feats. Can Heal and Buff. Stats: INT/WIS/CHA (Cha for Turning and Diplomacy). Probably Halfling. Also go for the supreme uber and start taking mystic thurge levels to raise both at once, and take levels in Archmage and Hirophant (See DMG).
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Back-up Healing, Summoning, Archery, Druid Buffs, Shapeshifting utility, and Nature Guide. Medium Armor. Stats: DEX, WIS. Definatly Elven.
Rogue/Barbarian
Super Melee Damage with 2-Hander and sneek attack. Light armor compliments both classes. Trapfinder and Scout. Probably Human (To make up for no fighter feats). Possible Multiclass into Assassin from rogue.
--Soo... What do you think? I'm curious to see other people's ideas on their own 4 (or 3) person group.
posted by Unknown at 10/27/2006 02:48:00 PM
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Here's my Dream Team:
Knight/Ninja: Amazing HP, Attack Bonus and Armor Class. Good Fortitude saves and Reflex saves, and plenty of skills. This character does fine whether mounted and heavily armored or caught in his bathrobe. The Knight’s gained ability to move quickly in medium and then heavy armor coincides well with the Ninja’s leaps, wall-climbing, invisibility, etc. The ki powers are more useful than most forms of magic to a Knight, because most of them function regardless of the amount of armor worn. Here is a character who can take and deal massive amounts of melee damage while still moving subtly around the battlefield. The Ninja’s eventual ability to take on incorporeal creatures lets the character handle at least one kind of unusual enemy. Wear medium and then heavy armor. Human: grab that extra feat.
Druid/Wizard: A spellcaster of unparalleled versatility, the Druid/Wizard adds the healing and defensive spells to the wizard’s already impressive repertoire. The Druid’s higher HP help this character take more damage, and the ¾ Attack progression make spells with an attack roll more useful. Good Fortitude and Will saves, and an amazing amount of skills. This character can deal plenty of ranged magical damage or melee normal damage (in wildshape), and can also see the party through wilderness terrain. Wear little or no armor. Dwarf: charisma isn’t required for either kind of spellcasting, and a little extra constitution never hurts. Medium size is better for wildshape.
Paladin/Rogue: What’s scarier than a Paladin on a mission? A sneaky Paladin on a mission. You have great HP, Attack Bonus, Armor Class, and skill and weapon selection; and your Fortitude and Reflex saves are good, and you are immune to fear (a common Will save). You can also shine in those specific but fairly common situations: traps and undead. The Paladin can heal herself and others, as well. You have a variety of special attacks, such as Smite Evil and the Sneak Attack, which can deal extra damage. Wear light or medium armor to keep your mobility up. Elf: dexterity really helps a Rogue. Take Shadowbane Inquisitor when you qualify.
This group is great at overland travel: the Paladin and the Knight have mounts, and the Druid can wildshape into something fast. Also, everyone can be pretty quick and sneaky in combat, as long as the Knight slaps a little silence on to the heavy armor. I'm more into melee damage than ranged (can't you tell?). Finally, I like characters who are a bit more standalone; they work even when they don't have their team. These three work pretty well together though, I think.
I was a little questioning at first, but this is a nice nonstandard approach. Knight may have moral/alignment issues with the ninja sudden strike, however. It doesn't apply when flanking, only when comming out of invisibility (if i'm not mistaken). Druid wizard is about equivilent to wizard cleric, just gives up spontainous healing and domain spells for more summons and melee potential. Pally/Rogue lets them overcome class weaknesses, where sneek attack is normally useless against undead, smite evil picks up the slack.
All the classes would be a little low on armor, though the Knight Ninja could probably take a beating when nessessary. It is a melee-oriented build also, but thats admited. Has Rogue skills, Arcane Magic, and Limited Divine Magic.
*approval stamp*
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Minions starting at 6th Level (Leadership)
Main Tank: Human Favored Soul/Fighter
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d10 Hit die
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Both Main Tank and Possible Healer
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Main Healer: Human Paladin/Cleric
This one may seem a bit redundant, but I think it would work.
Good Fort and Will Saves
d10 Hit Die
Full BAB Progression
Total Armor
Sub-Tank, Healer, and Undead-Stomper
Healing Spells out the Holy Wazoo.
Support (Agent): Whisper Gnome Rogue/Mechanist
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Light Armor
3/4 BAB Progression
Sneaky.
Sneaky Automaton Companion (and RoboMinions).
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Unlike some other blogs, this one gives points for credit.
I give myself credit ;D for applying "the big four" and going for all four major races.
I give shar credit for non-standardness with added class synergy.
I give andrew credit for flare, style and use of "wazoo". And having one-nonhuman.
Some other ideas I threw around...
Warlock/Rogue - Channeling Eldrich blast through melee for more d6 then you can count.
Warlock/Fighter - Flying, Channeled Blasts, and Invisibility. Fun.
Cleric/Favored Soul - Oozing divine magic.
Since we're adding more, here I go again:
Monk/Wizard: The ultimate unarmed character, with all good saves. The Monk’s HP make for a much more resilient spellcaster, while the enormous range of Wizard spells can be tailored to deal with any situation. Both rely on the use of little or no armor, and can deal with it. Spells which have an attack roll become more useful, given the Monk’s ¾ Attack Bonus.
Hexblade/Spellthief:
Good Will Saves
d10 Hit Die
Full BAB Attack Progression
Light Armor
Steal Enemy’s Spells
Sneak Attack
Human
Ranger/Swashbuckler:
Good Fortitude and Reflex Saves
d10 Hit Die
Full BAB Attack Progression
Light Armor
Add DEX and INT to attack rolls
Two-weapon is more effective, but Archery is fine too
Elf
Ranger/Fighter: My best try at the ultimate Ranged Attack character. Take all possible archery-related feats. Light armor, Halfling.
You did imply ultimate so here is the best I could come up with, not mentioning the special feat combos.
Duskblade 20/ cleric 2, Church Inquisitor 6, Oracle 6, Contemplative 1, Cleric 5
Ok, to start with you have the almost overpowered Duskblade caster/fighter class that can hit 5 people a round with a spell and hit them with his sword at the same time. Add the healing, buffs, and attack spells off a 20th lvl Cleric. For the fun of it make him immune to charms, compulsions, and disease. Then give him evasion and Improved Uncany dodge in his Mithril plate mail.
Fighter 16, Exotic weapon master 3/ Psychic warrior 12, Major draconic bloodline 7
Note that the build only goes up to lvl 19, I would use the Half Giant race here. Give this guy a large spiked chain all the trip, disarm, and two weapon fighting feats you can get. The half giant template gives the charch a +2 size bonus and a +4 str bonus so his trip attempts are already buffed. Add in str bonus's from the draconic bloodline and he can hold a large area in lockdown while doing very nice dmg.
Wizzard 3, Master Specialist 10(abjuration), Archmage 2, Abjurant Champion 5/ Druid 20
This guy is the buff bot plus druid combo. The master specialist lvls mean that he can cast mage armor and mage shield on other people, in this case the half giant above. The abjurant champion lvls mean that he adds +5 to the armor bonus of said spells. The druid adds in better hitpoints, alternate form, healing spells, and other fun stuff.
Scout 20/ Monk 2, Fighter 8, Deepwood Stalker 10
The master of ranged dmg this build breaks the scout class using the monk only item sparring dummy of the master. Using that the scout can add +7d6 to every shot he makes within 30ft of the target. Improved Evasion is just handy and this guy can cover for the rogue position with his skills. Use the fighter lvls for more archery feats and he kicks alot of but.
I really can't think of any ways to improve this right now, let me know what you think
other random idea, wizzard 10 Geomancer 10/ cleric 20. Cast those arcane spells in plate mail!
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